Edison guide: Frog OTK

A short post today.

I recently found out about Frog OTK (or Combo Frogs), a combo deck characterized by VERY long combos to set up crazy OTK boards.

I spent some time studying it up, but since the only sources you could learn from are youtube videos, I made my own (written) guide. You can find it at this link.

Hieratics

Let's start sayin' I don't play Hieratic, since I don't like those kind of comboes that summon big beaters, it's just me, however.
I'm here to talk about those Hieratics and the splashability of some.
Tefnuit+Su+Wattail+Luster dragon+Seal of convocation is the generic splashable engine. I believe we all saw at least once Gishki Hieratic, right?
For those who didn't, it's basically Gishki with some hieratics, that because when sent to the grave with aquamirror their effect triggers. Well, given that Gustkrake (view two random cards in your opponent's hand, put one back to the deck) is LV6 too, like the hieratis and their vanilla, they're often used for tributes, but there's a major loop. It revolves around Ptolemys. Discard shadow to search aquamirror, tribute tefnuit/su to summon gustkrake, -1 the opponent, then hieratic's eff and summon wattail, wattail+gustkrake=ptolemys, eff ptolemys, detatch gustkrake, retake shadow, eff mirror, bounce back gust and put mirror back in the deck, effect shadow, take mirror, use mirror, tribute another hieratic, special summon gustkrake and repeat using all the cards you can to recycle them.

However I was going to talk about this little engine tweaked a little in monarchs.
Why Monarchs? They're all lv6, they like to recycle their tribute monsters, they can provide tributes without relying on treeborn frog and they can make lots of comboes and generate lots of OTKs.
Well, I'd use the Engine as: 3 Tefnuit, 2 Seal of Convocation, 1 Wattail. If you aren't going to use treeborn (I'd recommend using it, but don't will let you use most good traps without fearing anything), I'd recommend even the third seal.
Well, before continuing, I'll say that I never ever builded it or played it, so this is just how I would build it.
Here's how I build this:
-Main engine: 3 Caius, 2 Mobius (against macro cosmos)/2 Raizas (they're more versatile, but poersonal preferences, however pretty much everyone will go into Raizas, Know That);
-Support engine: 3 Tefnuit, 2/3 Seal of convocation, 1 Wattaildragon;
-Support engine #2 (optional): 3 Swap Frog, 2 Ronintoadin, 2 Treeborn Frog, 3 Enemy Controller, 1/2 Creature Swap, 1 Gorz;
-Staple spells: Book of Moon, Reborn, Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, 2 Typhoons;
-Support cards: 1-3 Illusionsnatches (the deck can play this too, and if you tribute summon a hieratic you can go into atum with this, and thus play REDMD. I find 3 copies of this too much, though, I'd play 2, I believe), 0-3 REDMD (personal preferences, I'll play 2 I believe);
-Other Tributes: 3 Battle Faders;

Some other possible cards are: Foolish Burial (with the frog engine) and Pot of Avarice (random recycling&drawing)

So this is approsimatively how I would build it:

Monsters: [24]

1 Wattaildragon

3 Caius

2 Raiza

3 Battle Fader

2 Illusionsnatch

3 Tefnuit

3 Swap Frog

2 Treeborn Frog

2 Ronintoadin

1 Gorz

2 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon

Spells: [15]

3 Enemy Controller

2 Creature Swap

2 Hieratic Seal of Convocation

1 Book of Moon

1 Monster Reborn

1 Heavy Storm

1 Dark Hole

2 Mystical Space Typhoon

1 Foolish Burial

1 Pot of Avarice

Traps: [1]

1 Treacherous Trap Hole

I could have forgotten something, so take this as a skeleton, more than a real build.
You may be wondering why this post is made like this without testing it. Well, it's just that tomorrow I'll go on a little holiday (2 days), so I'm preparing something, and this evening there's my favourite little cousin's birthday and I must go, so after this I've no free time till tuesday when I'll be back.
However, I already wrote the card review and planified the day and hour of the post. I put it on Monday, at 10 o' clock, in Italy. Here we have GMT+1, just do your maths, I'll give a cookie to the first one to comment, LOL.

Well, See Ya.

Nimble OTK

Monsters: [23]

2 Caius the "Awesome" Monarch

2 Dupe Frog

1 Light and Darkness Dragon

2 Ice Spirit God - Moulin Glace

3 Nimble Goosefish

3 Nimble Manta

3 Nimble Sunfish

1 Obelisk "the Great 3-Tribute"

2 Ronintoadin

3 Swap Frog

1 Treeborn Frog

Spells: [16]

1 Book of Moon

2 Creature Swap

1 Dark Hole

3 Enemy Controller

1 Foolish Burial

1 Heavy Storm

1 Monster Reborn

1 Moray of Greed

2 Mystical Space Typhoon

1 Pot of Avarice

2 Salvage

Traps: [1]

1 Treacherous Trap Hole

I builded this with a friend of mine, he's called Itachi, I'm sayin this to give credits to him, and because I'll need you to start being familiar with this name, I believe I'll build a lot with him.

Said this:

The deck is Broken, while nimble before weren't even called an archetype, now they're a broken one. For those who didn't realize how the deck works, it's basically Nimble Goosefish Abuse, with gachi gachis everywhere helped with swap and ronin. After this, it usually OTK with Daigusto Phoenix (double phoenix with 2 gachi gachis on the field is 9200 damages, without attacking with the gachis that are 1300 Attackers) or using Moulin Glace. It goes into OTKs in the range of 3/4 turn maximum, in the while time it controls a little with Caius and Enemy Controller (ya all should know that I love E-con), while doing some beat with big monsters supported with Gachi Gachi, and sometimes it goes with Mouling to hand control the opponent and have a beatstick. I did something like 20 duels with this deck, and still, I haven't ever draw into: (I'm saying at least a copy, so if I drew only a caius in a duel, it would count as "drew")

Obelisk;

LaDD;

Reborn;

Swap;

Book of Moon;

Treacherous.

I never lost in these 20 duels, so I didn't draw into those because of this deck winning the second or third turn, usually, or fourth in some hard match-ups, fifth with difficult hands.

Let's explain some of the cards:

Caius, controls well the field while having a good beatstick. We mainly put him in, along with LaDD and Obelisk because we put treeborn, and we put treeborn because of swap that was put in because of the good amount of lv2 and the effect that discards that can trigger goosefish.

Swap, ronin, dupe, treeborn, the Frog Engine. Basically, we needed more cards to do rank 2 xyzs, because it would be kinda slow without this. Thanks to this engine, we could implement some tribute monsters.

Obelisk and LaDD, good tribute monsters, I still haven't tried them, since I didn't draw into them yet, but they look okay.

Moray of Greed, draw card, but mainly because it could put back cards like nimble manta and nimble sunfish that could clog the hand while having no targets in the deck for Goosefish. We were thinking of magical mallet, but we prefer this over mallet because this one is a 0, and not a -1, and the fact that mallet can put back other cards doesn't really affect us, putting back those water monsters is more than okay.

No Gorz. Why? Forgot, we're thinking what to drop to put this one in. The prime candidate is Obelisk followed by LaDD, but since I haven't drew into them yet, I can't fully decide on this.

The deck awesomeness is mainly into two things:

Foolish Burial in the starting hand, it is a clear +1 with goosefish;

Nimble Sunfish, no matter the moment, since it triggers goosefish going into a +2 (destroy sunfish, -1, summon sunfish, 0, summon 2 nimble, +2).

There are, however, hands like:

Swap+Goosefish (if you have another frog in the hand it is still better, and consider that with this you haven't NSed yet);

Dupe+Goosfish (requires a turn, but if you have dark hole, it is kinda a pro move, lol).

And there are tons of comboes, they are all awesome like this, some are better, too, but it changes from situation to situation, remember that Salvage is a great card and that Moulin Glace is really easy to summon, the most hard part is drawing into him.

Awesome deck, try it, you won't be disappointed.

Well, Ja Ne (see ya, japanese this time).

Beta Overdrive Frog Monarch

Uh? Are you saying that I'm doing too much post on this deck? Probable, but I said that if I didn't find a deck that I could mantain for a long time I would grow bored more than I'm now, so this isn't necessary a bad thing, what's more I said, promised, that I would post the decklist, so it was.

Monsters: [29]

3 Battle Fader

3 Caius the Shadow Monarch

2 Esper Girl

1 Gorz

3 Hushed Psychic Cleric

1 Mental Seeker

3 Overdrive Teleporter

3 Psychic Commander

1 Ronintoadin

2 Serene Psychic Witch

3 Swap Frig

2 Tragoedia

2 Treeborn Frog

Spells: [11]

1 Dark Hole

2 Emergency Teleport

3 Enemy Controller

1 Foolish Burial

1 Heavy Storm

1 Monster Reborn

2 Mystical Space Typhoon

I noticed how Extra Deck is totally personal, so I won't list. If you're curious or you don't know what to put in, look at my Extra.

However, the only cards I'll never change in number/drop will be Fader, Caius, Gorz, Cleric, Swap, Treeborn, obvious staples, E-Con, Teleport, Burial and Typhoon.

Why? Except from staples, Fader is awesome, same for E-Con, Teleport, Caius, Burial and Swap. Gorz is essential, when you're losing or you drew into nothing, this card can win you games too, Cleric is needed in 3 copies because you're going to combo a lot with here, I even started with 3 of her for some unlucky rounds, but she was awesome however, since you could combo however and provide good tribute fodders for tribute monsters, mainly Overdrive. Typhoon at two is kinda awesome, since it won't clog and you'll have the perfect number (3 with heavy) for your backrow hate.

I was thinking of adding Synchro Fusions, Ultimate Axon Kicker and Exterio, to be precise, but maybe they'll be a bit situational. Exterio is surely situational, not hard to summon, but since you have Beast and Barkion on the field you won't use them for Exterio, probably. What's more the Extra Deck is tight, if you look closely there isn't BRD, I'm going to add it at Gaia's place. I wanted to find a slot for Axon Kicker in the Extra, in the main I could simply drop 1 Tragoedia, but the problem is in the Extra.

There's one thing in the Extra I noticed, for some reason I never used R3 XYZs, maybe I could drop them and put in an Axon and one more synchro, maybe BRD in order to keep Gaia.

The reason why I don't want to drop gaia is that he's the only that will let us OTK. Strangely, even if comboeing in a nice way, it's pretty hard to OTK with this deck, one of the most probable cases is with the combo I said in the previous post, summoning Librarian, Gaia and Red Dragon Archfiend, right 8000 damages, but the opponent have to have a clear field, that's why I'd prefer going into a control combo, Beast+Barkion+Stardust, that's 7200, but given that you're drawing with Esper Girl you could draw into an Emergency Teleport and win attacking this way, OR going into Librarian+Brionac (to bounce threats)+Stardust/Scrap (based on how much you have to destroy), 7500 damges, 2 draws with Librarian and 2 total draws with Esper, and 3 discards with cleric, you have some probabilities to draw into some Reborn/Emergency Teleport and win.

When playing this deck you should take care of 2 things, take down opponent's backrow the most possible AND don't forget nothing. Personally I lost 2 duels last night because I did the wrong combo the first time and because I forgot to resummon stardust, that because I was sleepy, lol. However playing on Dueling Network and playing IRL is lot different, you won't forget stardust while playing IRL, while on Dueling Network it is kinda easy.

That should be all, if you have some questions, just ask. See Ya.

Overdrive Frog Monarch?

I was trying something with Overdrive Teleporter, and, you know I love challenges, I made a build that features a little Frog engine (3 swaps, 2 treeborns and 1 ronintoadin), and triple caius.

Are you asking why? Oh, you say you aren't asking why? I'll explain however.
I love frog engine, it generates really easy tribute fodders for our monarchs, and in this case teleporter, too. Making the life easy for caius is really good, since it could run over threats that your backrow hate (2 MST and 1 heavy storm, not really an "hate", but there's still some), like some nasty rai-ohs and other things like that.
What's more, swap helps with Overdrive. We said that recycling him isn't easy, because the only way is ptolemys, and his main weakness is veiler, one of the most played card in this format. If veiler hits Overdrive, what will we do? Just cry over our 2000 lps and tribute fodder? I won't, go with swap to bounce it back and re-use him next turn.
Then, what other does the frog engine provide us? I believe it provides a good and hard-to-stop defence, the one in the hand, fader and gorz, with tragoedia too. What's more, Gorz usually provides the big monsters for the final pushes, while fader provides tribute fodder, and tragoedia can help in both things, basing on luck, while manipulating its own level or stealing opponent's monster. With Tragoedia there are a lot of lolly plays, one I like is stealing an opponent's lv6 monster discarding caius, and then copying is level to XYZ. This can be done with any level that has an XYZ that requires 2 monsters.
Other than this, in pretty much any duel I did, I saw how good was Enemy Controller. I play it in 3 copies, and stops everything. One of the move I did the most is stealing an opponent's rai-oh tributing treeborn to tribute him to go into a teleporter and combo.

Then, this deck has good potentials, because it isn't hard to make naturia beast+naturia barkion-Stardust Dragon plays and stop the opponent, if you just have a little set-up, nothing really hard to get, you will be able. In most cases it is done with an Esper Girl in grave (or in hand, but if needs at least a psychic monster in the grave), a Teleporter in hand and a Cleric on the field, with 2 discard fodder in hand:

Eff Cleric, discard a card (or Esper if you have another Psychic monster in grave) to banish Esper Girl

Tribute Cleric for Overdrive, then Cleric's effect will trigger summoning an esper girl and banishing the top card

Eff Overdrive, SS a Cleric and a Commander/level 3 psychic tune

Eff Cleric, discard to banish the first Cleric

Synchro Cleric+Esper into Beast, Cleric's and Esper's effect will trigger and you'll SS Cleric

Eff Cleric, discard to banish Esper

Synchro Cleric+Commander/lv3 tuner into Barkion

Cleric's effect wil trigger, and you'll SS Esper that will banish top card.

Esper+Overdrive into Stardust, Esper's effect will trigger and you'll add the banished card.

Esper will let you draw 2 cards in the process, but you'll discard 3 for Cleric, but given the order in which they happen, you need 2 cards in hand, other than Overdrive. That's not that big of a set-up, and it ends the turn with a big field. The combo can be changed in order to draw more (summoning librarian instead of beast), and since you're going to draw some more cards it isn't improbable that you'll draw into an Emergency Teleport and you'll win. You could even go into Scrap Dragon to do more damages and into brionac to bounce nasty cards.I believe that with the same set-up you can end with a winning field with more than 8000 damages if opponent has a clear field, going into Hyper Psychic Blaster, Gaia and Librarian, right 8000 lps.

I'm seaching slots for veilers, but for some reason I don't like them, even if they are good. I don't like them means that I really don't like them, not that they are no good, probably right now they're the best carsd to be played.

I believe this was all, if I have other updates on the deck, I'll post them. I'll post a beta decklist, too, if not today, I'll do it tomorrow.